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		<title>Av: Olga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hva man kaller Putin-juntaen er uvesentlig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mafiabanden som kontrollerer &quot;Russisk mediaindustri&quot; og spyr ut revansjistisk propaganda minner mere om mellomkrigstidene diktaturer enn noe som ligner demokrati.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118541208507078414.html?mod=googlenews_wsj &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since the election of Putin&#039;s protégé, Dmitry Medvedev, in March, Kasparov seems to have faded somewhat from public view, I say. What&#039;s he been up to? &quot;I don&#039;t like to call it an election: that gives the wrong impression,&quot; he quickly replies. &quot;Barack Obama had 65 million voters. Medvedev had one.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/garry-kasparov-the-master-who-wont-be-putins-pawn-1020501.html &lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hva man kaller Putin-juntaen er uvesentlig.</p>
<p>Mafiabanden som kontrollerer &#8220;Russisk mediaindustri&#8221; og spyr ut revansjistisk propaganda minner mere om mellomkrigstidene diktaturer enn noe som ligner demokrati.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118541208507078414.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118541208507078414.html?mod=googlenews_wsj</a> </p>
<p>Since the election of Putin&#8217;s protégé, Dmitry Medvedev, in March, Kasparov seems to have faded somewhat from public view, I say. What&#8217;s he been up to? &#8220;I don&#8217;t like to call it an election: that gives the wrong impression,&#8221; he quickly replies. &#8220;Barack Obama had 65 million voters. Medvedev had one.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/garry-kasparov-the-master-who-wont-be-putins-pawn-1020501.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/garry-kasparov-the-master-who-wont-be-putins-pawn-1020501.html</a> </p>
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		<title>Av: TG</title>
		<link>http://www.minervanett.no/2008/11/14/neumanns-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>TG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russland er kanskje et autoritært regime, men med tanke på at folket der kan kaste sine ledere i jevnlige og hemmelige valg, og har tilgang til en stor fri presse (som i bredde ikke står tilbake for vår egen), er vel valget av &quot;autoritært&quot; som det ene ordet for å beskrive Russland, lite heldig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Forslag; kall Russland &quot;demokratisk og noe autoritært&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russland er kanskje et autoritært regime, men med tanke på at folket der kan kaste sine ledere i jevnlige og hemmelige valg, og har tilgang til en stor fri presse (som i bredde ikke står tilbake for vår egen), er vel valget av &#8220;autoritært&#8221; som det ene ordet for å beskrive Russland, lite heldig.</p>
<p>Forslag; kall Russland &#8220;demokratisk og noe autoritært&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Av: Nordmann</title>
		<link>http://www.minervanett.no/2008/11/14/neumanns-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Nordmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATO er en militær allianse, ikke en demokratiklubb! Hvorfor skal våre gutter dø for å &quot;spre demokrati&quot; og respekt for menneskerettigheter? Pat Buchanan har som alltid noen vise ord om den NATOs farlige utvikling.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13323&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Had Georgia been in NATO when Mikheil Saakashvili invaded South Ossetia, we would be eyeball to eyeball with Russia, facing war in the Caucasus, where Moscow&#039;s superiority is as great as U.S. superiority in the Caribbean during the Cuban missile crisis. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the Russia-Georgia war proves nothing else, it is the insanity of giving erratic hotheads in volatile nations the power to drag the United States into war.&lt;br&gt;-&lt;br&gt;-&lt;br&gt;And can we not understand how a Russian patriot like Vladimir Putin would be incensed by this U.S. encirclement after Russia shed its empire and sought our friendship? How would Andy Jackson have reacted to such crowding by the British Empire? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As of 1991, the oil of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan belonged to Moscow. Can we not understand why Putin would smolder as avaricious Yankees built pipelines to siphon the oil and gas of the Caspian Basin through breakaway Georgia to the West?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For a dozen years, Putin &amp; Co. watched as U.S. agents helped to dump over regimes in Ukraine and Georgia that were friendly to Moscow.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Cold War II is coming, who started it, if not us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATO er en militær allianse, ikke en demokratiklubb! Hvorfor skal våre gutter dø for å &#8220;spre demokrati&#8221; og respekt for menneskerettigheter? Pat Buchanan har som alltid noen vise ord om den NATOs farlige utvikling.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13323" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13323</a></p>
<p>Had Georgia been in NATO when Mikheil Saakashvili invaded South Ossetia, we would be eyeball to eyeball with Russia, facing war in the Caucasus, where Moscow&#8217;s superiority is as great as U.S. superiority in the Caribbean during the Cuban missile crisis. </p>
<p>If the Russia-Georgia war proves nothing else, it is the insanity of giving erratic hotheads in volatile nations the power to drag the United States into war.<br />-<br />-<br />And can we not understand how a Russian patriot like Vladimir Putin would be incensed by this U.S. encirclement after Russia shed its empire and sought our friendship? How would Andy Jackson have reacted to such crowding by the British Empire? </p>
<p>As of 1991, the oil of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan belonged to Moscow. Can we not understand why Putin would smolder as avaricious Yankees built pipelines to siphon the oil and gas of the Caspian Basin through breakaway Georgia to the West?</p>
<p>For a dozen years, Putin &#038; Co. watched as U.S. agents helped to dump over regimes in Ukraine and Georgia that were friendly to Moscow.</p>
<p>If Cold War II is coming, who started it, if not us?</p>
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		<title>Av: Med våpen i hånda skal ungdom sikre</title>
		<link>http://www.minervanett.no/2008/11/14/neumanns-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Med våpen i hånda skal ungdom sikre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Buchanen og Putin-Jugend.&lt;br&gt;De rasistiske morderers våpendragere i vest ser Pat Buchanen som en av sin helter. &lt;br&gt;Nyfascistiske nasjonalister i Norge er meget begeistret for Putin-mafins morderisk behandling av den muslimske minoritet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.abcnyheter.no/node/49327&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi &quot;costume&quot;: &quot;Take a hard look at Duke&#039;s portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks.&quot; (syndicated column, 2/25/89)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, on closer inspection, the model described in &quot;Russian Doctrine&quot; resembles neither tsarist Russia nor the Soviet Union so much as it does the sociopolitical structures of Germany, Italy, Spain, and Portugal in the 1930s&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/europeview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12587764&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When revanchism and financial crises meet&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FOUR comforting bits of conventional wisdom are as follows: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Russia has no ideology; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) if the system there features distinctive political ideas at all, they are merely the same as western ones, but tempered by pragmatism; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) the financial crisis will accelerate normalisation, rather than entrenching eccentricities;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; 4) any odd-sounding notions such as “sovereign democracy” are rhetorical flourishes for domestic consumption only.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Buchanen og Putin-Jugend.<br />De rasistiske morderers våpendragere i vest ser Pat Buchanen som en av sin helter. <br />Nyfascistiske nasjonalister i Norge er meget begeistret for Putin-mafins morderisk behandling av den muslimske minoritet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abcnyheter.no/node/49327" rel="nofollow">http://www.abcnyheter.no/node/49327</a></p>
<p>In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi &#8220;costume&#8221;: &#8220;Take a hard look at Duke&#8217;s portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks.&#8221; (syndicated column, 2/25/89)</p>
<p>However, on closer inspection, the model described in &#8220;Russian Doctrine&#8221; resembles neither tsarist Russia nor the Soviet Union so much as it does the sociopolitical structures of Germany, Italy, Spain, and Portugal in the 1930s</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/europeview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12587764" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/europeview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12587764</a></p>
<p>When revanchism and financial crises meet</p>
<p>FOUR comforting bits of conventional wisdom are as follows: </p>
<p>1) Russia has no ideology; </p>
<p>2) if the system there features distinctive political ideas at all, they are merely the same as western ones, but tempered by pragmatism; </p>
<p>3) the financial crisis will accelerate normalisation, rather than entrenching eccentricities;</p>
<p> 4) any odd-sounding notions such as “sovereign democracy” are rhetorical flourishes for domestic consumption only.</p>
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		<title>Av: Skolopender</title>
		<link>http://www.minervanett.no/2008/11/14/neumanns-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Skolopender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hva mener Neumann med.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Sivilisasjonens arnested mot barbariet&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Putin praises sexual prowess of Israeli president&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/20/russia.tomparfitt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vladimir Putin threatened to oust the President of Georgia and &#8216;hang him by the balls&#8217;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1085468/Putin-planned-topple-president-Georgia-hang-b---says-Nicolas-Sarkozys-chief-adviser.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Det er faktisk alvorlig grunn til å trekke i nødbremser for å stanse kaldkrigerne i Washington som vil gi amerikansk økonomi et oppsving gjennom å ta en ny runde med kald opprustningskrig mot Russland, som naturlig nok velger og i dag har økonomisk og teknologisk evne til å følge opp.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Verken USA eller Europa har fnugg av mulighet til å vinne det neste rustningskappløpet: Det russiske ressurspotensialet, inkludert det intellektuelle, overgår i dag Vestens mange ganger, og gapet vil aksellerere i fremtiden. Cowboyene i USA vil til sist ikke ha noe som helst å stille opp med annet enn aggresiv retorikk, selvrettferdig sutring og krig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Det er galskap å la de folka kjøre verden i grøfta også med militære midler. Kutt de overflødige avhengighetsbåndene til USA og begynn med å organisere et selvstendig og fredelig pan-europeisk samarbeid som har fremtiden for seg.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Det er religiøst vrøvl å prøve å gjenopplive i gammelsvensk russofobi. Selv Bjørnstierne Bjørnson advarte mot den.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hva mener Neumann med.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sivilisasjonens arnested mot barbariet&#8221;</p>
<p>Putin praises sexual prowess of Israeli president</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/20/russia.tomparfitt" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/20/russia.tomparfitt</a></p>
<p>Vladimir Putin threatened to oust the President of Georgia and &#8216;hang him by the balls&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1085468/Putin-planned-topple-president-Georgia-hang-b---says-Nicolas-Sarkozys-chief-adviser.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1085468/Putin-planned-topple-president-Georgia-hang-b&#8212;says-Nicolas-Sarkozys-chief-adviser.html</a></p>
<p>Det er faktisk alvorlig grunn til å trekke i nødbremser for å stanse kaldkrigerne i Washington som vil gi amerikansk økonomi et oppsving gjennom å ta en ny runde med kald opprustningskrig mot Russland, som naturlig nok velger og i dag har økonomisk og teknologisk evne til å følge opp.</p>
<p>Verken USA eller Europa har fnugg av mulighet til å vinne det neste rustningskappløpet: Det russiske ressurspotensialet, inkludert det intellektuelle, overgår i dag Vestens mange ganger, og gapet vil aksellerere i fremtiden. Cowboyene i USA vil til sist ikke ha noe som helst å stille opp med annet enn aggresiv retorikk, selvrettferdig sutring og krig.</p>
<p>Det er galskap å la de folka kjøre verden i grøfta også med militære midler. Kutt de overflødige avhengighetsbåndene til USA og begynn med å organisere et selvstendig og fredelig pan-europeisk samarbeid som har fremtiden for seg.</p>
<p>Det er religiøst vrøvl å prøve å gjenopplive i gammelsvensk russofobi. Selv Bjørnstierne Bjørnson advarte mot den.</p>
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		<title>Av: Et amerikansk syn på saken</title>
		<link>http://www.minervanett.no/2008/11/14/neumanns-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Et amerikansk syn på saken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can think of at least five better ways NATO could move forward: 1) NATO could reduce its membership to those countries that are actually capable of consistently fielding overseas deployments of some meaningful size for joint NATO missions; 2) It could disband entirely as an outdated relic of the Cold War; 3) It could return to being a defensive alliance for the sake of collective European security, rather than a club for Washington-approved regimes (WARs); 4) It could spent its time building up the military capabilities of existing members before extending useless defense promises to countries we have no intention of defending against attack; 5) It could disband entirely as an outdated relic of the Cold War.  Guess which one I prefer?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/28/what-is-the-use/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can think of at least five better ways NATO could move forward: 1) NATO could reduce its membership to those countries that are actually capable of consistently fielding overseas deployments of some meaningful size for joint NATO missions; 2) It could disband entirely as an outdated relic of the Cold War; 3) It could return to being a defensive alliance for the sake of collective European security, rather than a club for Washington-approved regimes (WARs); 4) It could spent its time building up the military capabilities of existing members before extending useless defense promises to countries we have no intention of defending against attack; 5) It could disband entirely as an outdated relic of the Cold War.  Guess which one I prefer?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/28/what-is-the-use/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/28/what-is-the-use/</a></p>
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		<title>Av: Et Russisk syn på saken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Et Russisk syn på saken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SS-26 does not seem to have lived up to expectations on accuracy, and even with a nuclear warhead it may not be able to guarantee the destruction of reinforced silo-based GBI interceptors in Poland. Moreover, the GBIs, if they are ever deployed in Poland, would be unlikely to threaten Russia anyway. The Kremlin&#8217;s threat to deploy Iskanders in &quot;the Western direction&quot; does not make much military sense either. It is clearly a political move to threaten European nations, create tension, and hopefully undermine their alliance with the United States--a traditional Russian strategy. Increased tension would also support the argument that at a time of internal and external crisis Putin must be back at the helm.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=427&amp;issue_id=4681&amp;article_id=2373529&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Using its hegemony over Russian culture and information, the Kremlin has been able to infuse the national consciousness with the idea of a renewed imperial state. Maksim Kalashnikov, one of the authors of the &quot;Russian Doctrine&quot; project and a leading proponent of new-empire thinking, has written that nothing better reflects the aspirations of a national elite than a country&#039;s science fiction books. &quot;Today most of our science fiction is revanchist, imperial literature in which Russians are redeeming their shame [from the 1990s] and building up a new superpower,&quot; he wrote.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some clues about Putin&#039;s intentions can be found in an 800-page manifesto issued last summer by a group of about 70 pro-Putin, national-patriotic academics under the title &quot;Russian Doctrine.&quot; The book is presented as a set of &quot;guidelines&quot; for the next administration and a kind of national, supra-party platform. It contains detailed foreign- and domestic-policy proposals, including autocratic reforms to the military, national-security system, the economy, the mass media, education, and culture.&lt;br&gt;Moreover, it was approved at the September World Congress of Russian People, an annual event sponsored by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church. Metropolitan Kirill, who handles foreign relations for the Moscow Patriarchate and is one of the leading ideologues of the Putin regime, took pains to praise it.&lt;br&gt;The &quot;Russian Doctrine&quot; presumes that the Russian Federation is doomed to extinction because it will be unable to cope with the looming challenges of international competition. Within the next decade, the authors claim, Russia will increasingly begin to lag behind China, India, the United States, and some Southeast Asian countries. In response, the authors propose a new state structure based on the traditions of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Interestingly, they propose doing so without dissolving the Russian Federation: that is, they urge the creation of a &quot;parallel state&quot; initially operating unseen behind the facade of the current one. It would consist of a system of political and economic institutions accessible only to Putin and the siloviki that the authors call &quot;the invisible, networked Russia.&quot; &lt;br&gt;However, on closer inspection, the model described in &quot;Russian Doctrine&quot; resembles neither tsarist Russia nor the Soviet Union so much as it does the sociopolitical structures of Germany, Italy, Spain, and Portugal in the 1930s&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SS-26 does not seem to have lived up to expectations on accuracy, and even with a nuclear warhead it may not be able to guarantee the destruction of reinforced silo-based GBI interceptors in Poland. Moreover, the GBIs, if they are ever deployed in Poland, would be unlikely to threaten Russia anyway. The Kremlin&#8217;s threat to deploy Iskanders in &#8220;the Western direction&#8221; does not make much military sense either. It is clearly a political move to threaten European nations, create tension, and hopefully undermine their alliance with the United States&#8211;a traditional Russian strategy. Increased tension would also support the argument that at a time of internal and external crisis Putin must be back at the helm.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=427&#038;issue_id=4681&#038;article_id=2373529" rel="nofollow">http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=427&#038;issue_id=4681&#038;article_id=2373529</a></p>
<p>Using its hegemony over Russian culture and information, the Kremlin has been able to infuse the national consciousness with the idea of a renewed imperial state. Maksim Kalashnikov, one of the authors of the &#8220;Russian Doctrine&#8221; project and a leading proponent of new-empire thinking, has written that nothing better reflects the aspirations of a national elite than a country&#8217;s science fiction books. &#8220;Today most of our science fiction is revanchist, imperial literature in which Russians are redeeming their shame [from the 1990s] and building up a new superpower,&#8221; he wrote.</p>
<p>Some clues about Putin&#8217;s intentions can be found in an 800-page manifesto issued last summer by a group of about 70 pro-Putin, national-patriotic academics under the title &#8220;Russian Doctrine.&#8221; The book is presented as a set of &#8220;guidelines&#8221; for the next administration and a kind of national, supra-party platform. It contains detailed foreign- and domestic-policy proposals, including autocratic reforms to the military, national-security system, the economy, the mass media, education, and culture.<br />Moreover, it was approved at the September World Congress of Russian People, an annual event sponsored by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church. Metropolitan Kirill, who handles foreign relations for the Moscow Patriarchate and is one of the leading ideologues of the Putin regime, took pains to praise it.<br />The &#8220;Russian Doctrine&#8221; presumes that the Russian Federation is doomed to extinction because it will be unable to cope with the looming challenges of international competition. Within the next decade, the authors claim, Russia will increasingly begin to lag behind China, India, the United States, and some Southeast Asian countries. In response, the authors propose a new state structure based on the traditions of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Interestingly, they propose doing so without dissolving the Russian Federation: that is, they urge the creation of a &#8220;parallel state&#8221; initially operating unseen behind the facade of the current one. It would consist of a system of political and economic institutions accessible only to Putin and the siloviki that the authors call &#8220;the invisible, networked Russia.&#8221; <br />However, on closer inspection, the model described in &#8220;Russian Doctrine&#8221; resembles neither tsarist Russia nor the Soviet Union so much as it does the sociopolitical structures of Germany, Italy, Spain, and Portugal in the 1930s</p>
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		<title>Av: Iver B. Neumann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iver B. Neumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takk til Minervas samfunnsredaktør for en fin kommentar. Samfunnsredaktøren er historiker. Det er riktig at hans argument kan belegges historisk, og argumentere fro at NATO hele tiden har vært present som og har presentert seg som sivilisasjonens arnested mot barbariet. Som en kollega og jeg har demonstrert i en fagartikkel, er det imidlertid også slik at denne retorikken tok seg vesentlig opp efter Den kalde krigen.  For interesserte: Michael C. Williams og Iver B. Neumann (2000) &quot;From Alliance to Security Community: NATO, Russia and the Power of Identity&quot; i Millennium 29 (2): 357-387.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Takk til Minervas samfunnsredaktør for en fin kommentar. Samfunnsredaktøren er historiker. Det er riktig at hans argument kan belegges historisk, og argumentere fro at NATO hele tiden har vært present som og har presentert seg som sivilisasjonens arnested mot barbariet. Som en kollega og jeg har demonstrert i en fagartikkel, er det imidlertid også slik at denne retorikken tok seg vesentlig opp efter Den kalde krigen.  For interesserte: Michael C. Williams og Iver B. Neumann (2000) &#8220;From Alliance to Security Community: NATO, Russia and the Power of Identity&#8221; i Millennium 29 (2): 357-387.</p>
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		<title>Av: Olga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Neumanns behandling av det vitner ikke om veldig stor interesse for &lt;br&gt;selve fenomenet, men heller om en hang til billig antiamerikanisme.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; I hodet til den forstokkede europeiske elite som knapt evner annet enn å reprodusere den amerikanske debatten som er kritisk til tungt og kostbart engasjement for beskytte internasjonale investeringer er Neumann i en særklasse.&lt;br&gt;Mens bandene til Putin-mafian bedrev etnisk rensing i Georgia, snakket  Neumann om risikoen for Amerikansk forkjøpeangrep mor Kina og behovet for å vingeklippe USAs militærmakt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oljerørledningen fra Baku som Neumann har eierandeler i har han ingen betenkeligheter med å overføre vederlagsfritt til sine ortodoks- kristne mafiabrødre ?&lt;br&gt;Et internasjonalt regime der markedet manipuleres til fordel for parasittiske råvareeksportører ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;USA får et økonomisk tilbakeslag  som gjør at den ikke lenger kan opprettholde sin enorme militære makt. Spørsmålet vi i Europa og flere andre steder i verden da bør stille oss er hva som skjer i det store globale sjakkspillet når dronningen faller. Skal EU sørge for freden? Dette er en byråkratisk supermakt uten nevneverdig militær evne og kan derfor ikke gi noen en reell beskyttelse mot mulige angrep. Europeerne som har elsket å hate USA, kan plutselig befinne seg i en situasjon der de ønsker at &quot;Store Satan&quot; ikke er borte. P.g.a. USA har Europa lullet seg inn i den tro at fred kan kun opprettholdes ved &quot;dialog&quot; og gode intensjoner. Militær makt har man foraktet og sett på som noe vulgært kun amerikanske cowboys er opptatt av. Den fisefine Europeiske eliten har forelengst forkastet enhver tanke om reell forsvarsevne til fordel for multilaterale fredsforhandlinger og aktiv ettergivenhet overfor enhver som er villig til å følge opp sine krav med vold.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vi bør allerede nå tenke igjennom hva som kan skje dersom USAs gigantiske militærmakt vingeklippes. Sjakkspillet endres og nye aktører vil gjøre sine trekk. Mange av dem vil ganske sikkert ta i bruk vold og terror for å gjennomføre sine ønsker. Og hva kan vi gjøre? Jo, vi har satt oss nå i en slik situasjon at vi i praksis må basere oss på fiendens medfølelse og nåde.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Se også.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://writern.blogspot.com/2008/11/analysis-why-eu-is-more-negative-to.html#4279801175543942478</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neumanns behandling av det vitner ikke om veldig stor interesse for <br />selve fenomenet, men heller om en hang til billig antiamerikanisme.</p>
<p> I hodet til den forstokkede europeiske elite som knapt evner annet enn å reprodusere den amerikanske debatten som er kritisk til tungt og kostbart engasjement for beskytte internasjonale investeringer er Neumann i en særklasse.<br />Mens bandene til Putin-mafian bedrev etnisk rensing i Georgia, snakket  Neumann om risikoen for Amerikansk forkjøpeangrep mor Kina og behovet for å vingeklippe USAs militærmakt.</p>
<p>Oljerørledningen fra Baku som Neumann har eierandeler i har han ingen betenkeligheter med å overføre vederlagsfritt til sine ortodoks- kristne mafiabrødre ?<br />Et internasjonalt regime der markedet manipuleres til fordel for parasittiske råvareeksportører ?</p>
<p>USA får et økonomisk tilbakeslag  som gjør at den ikke lenger kan opprettholde sin enorme militære makt. Spørsmålet vi i Europa og flere andre steder i verden da bør stille oss er hva som skjer i det store globale sjakkspillet når dronningen faller. Skal EU sørge for freden? Dette er en byråkratisk supermakt uten nevneverdig militær evne og kan derfor ikke gi noen en reell beskyttelse mot mulige angrep. Europeerne som har elsket å hate USA, kan plutselig befinne seg i en situasjon der de ønsker at &#8220;Store Satan&#8221; ikke er borte. P.g.a. USA har Europa lullet seg inn i den tro at fred kan kun opprettholdes ved &#8220;dialog&#8221; og gode intensjoner. Militær makt har man foraktet og sett på som noe vulgært kun amerikanske cowboys er opptatt av. Den fisefine Europeiske eliten har forelengst forkastet enhver tanke om reell forsvarsevne til fordel for multilaterale fredsforhandlinger og aktiv ettergivenhet overfor enhver som er villig til å følge opp sine krav med vold.</p>
<p>Vi bør allerede nå tenke igjennom hva som kan skje dersom USAs gigantiske militærmakt vingeklippes. Sjakkspillet endres og nye aktører vil gjøre sine trekk. Mange av dem vil ganske sikkert ta i bruk vold og terror for å gjennomføre sine ønsker. Og hva kan vi gjøre? Jo, vi har satt oss nå i en slik situasjon at vi i praksis må basere oss på fiendens medfølelse og nåde.</p>
<p>Se også.</p>
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